Sanders Admits Health Care Plan will Increase Taxes on the Middle Class

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Sanders Admits Health Care Plan will Increase Taxes on the Middle Class

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The only important thing that happened during the Dem debate.

He is garbage.

but but but the 1%!!!!!!

Ok hold on, I actually just read the article and it actually seems the people who said “oh he’s garbage” or whatever didn’t actually read what they reblogged.

His plan involves increasing taxes, yes, but he’s also planning to do away with private insurance premiums. You’re actually saving money via that plan, so ultimately better off financially. Put simply, private insurance premium going away means all that money back in your pocket. Then, you pay SOME of that money to taxes. Taxes go up, BUT you’re paying less than you’d have paid the private company. So yes, you’d be paying more taxes, but in total your expenses go down by thousands.

Read the things you reblog, dammit.

Uhhhh

You literally admitted he says he wants to increase taxes.

oh boo hoo, you pay a little bit more in taxes. how else do people expect shit to get done? -_-

… Really?

oh no my taxes are going to be more

and people nationwide will stop suffering from lack of healthcare 

and maybe ending poverty will take a step in the right direction

and maybe private insurance companies will stop gouging people 

and hey I’ll actually have a net positive after all this since it saves me money in the long run

and hey maybe we’ll be on par with every other 1st world country on the planet

and hey maybe parents will call the hospital when their kids are sick instead of waiting it out because their insurance rates are too much for them to afford

but

oh no my taxes are going to be more

Same rhetoric as obamacare. Premiums are up, coverage is down, but hey. At least everyone….no wait.

Government run healthcare is the biggest croc of idiocy alive today. Medicare, medicaid, obamacare, all failures. All dying. But juuuuuust one more right? This time it will work!

so what r ur opinions on minecraft?

So… The NHS…

Guys, Sanders is asking for a 2.2% health care tax hike to cover health care costs. If your household is earning $70k a year, that’s $1,540 a year in extra taxes.

There will also be a payroll tax levied on employers of 6.7%. Assuming the entire cost is passed on to workers (and I guarantee you it won’t be – customers will also pick up part of the tab), that’s an extra $4,690, bringing the total to $6,230 a year.

Obamacare average household premiums were about $16,800 in 2015, and are still rising. That’s at least 2.7 times higher than the tax hike (a highly conservative estimate), and will probably be higher as health care costs continue to rise.

You will not need to pay for premiums in a single payer system. You’re literally saving over thousands of dollars a year if you’re a middle class citizen, and even more if you’re a working class citizen.

There are plenty of other examples of nations that have implemented a single payer system, and their citizens are paying significantly less than Americans.

Do your research before complaining about taxes.

Sources:
http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/health-insurance-premiums.aspx
http://time.com/4183856/bernie-sanders-middle-class-taxes-health-care/

reblogging for hard numbers

Reblogging for hard numbers. This is what George Carlin meant when he said that the owners of our country don’t want an educated populace – they want people just smart enough to do the shit work, and just dumb enough not to know how badly they’re being screwed over compared with the rest of the civilized world. Everyone who whined “but TAXES” and “he is GARBAGE” is a living example of how this plan is working out for the owners of our society, the 1%.

ALSO. The generally used cut-off for ‘middle class’ in political debates is a person making $250,000 a year. Are any of you even fucking CLOSE to that? ‘Cause I kind of doubt it. By that definition someone can ‘raise taxes on the middle class’ and still not raise the taxes of 99% of the people I know. So when someone mentions ‘middle class’, you damn well need to ask what numbers they’re using. It’s totally possible that they’re not talking about and yours at all. The tax code certainly makes a distinction between those of us making under $50k and those making over $200k, and so would Sanders’ plan!

Are you seriously saying people who make 50K won’t be taxed and aren’t middle class?

I said neither of those things. I said that it was wise to use specific numbers when discussing ‘middle class’, as it covers such a broad range as to be functionally meaningless.

Sanders plan includes slight (2.2%) increases on the marginal tax rate in all tax brackets, and larger increases on higher tax brackets. Functionally tax rate includes deductions and credits, giving you the effective tax rate, which means you can’t perfectly predict the outcome for individuals (but you can intelligently estimate that a worker in the lowest bracket will see no rise at all, as earned income credit balances out their taxable income).

The chart I linked also includes payroll taxes (payed by the employer) as if they were payed by the employee.  There’s a sound reason for that, but it’s not actually a guarantee – employers who currently pay a portion of health care may instead use those funds against payroll taxes, for instance.

Anyway, with a 2.2% marginal increase but no health insurance premiums, a person making under 50k is going to come out just about even – the big difference being who the money goes to. People who make more will see a bigger dip in their net income. If people who are at the low end of middle class come out even or ahead and those at the top end are paying significantly more, we should be mindful when using this over-broad term.

You know what? Having moved here from the UK and wasted more of my life already than I care to think about on trying to sort out health insurance, my main thought is – the tax increase is worth it.

I think the thing is, you folks in the US don’t seem to realise how much of your life you’re wasting on health insurance. Not money, but life. Until now, the only things I’ve had to worry about in the UK were functional or personal issues… ‘which doctor should I register with’, ‘Is my doctor a nice doctor are are they a bit of a dick’, or ‘Oh, have they lost my referral, let me ring and be hassley’. That kind of functional stuff. 

I *knew*, absolutely *knew* that whatever happened, I was ‘covered’. I didn’t have to spend hours debating and trying to work out the cost-benefit analysis of how many appointments I think I might need, versus how many prescriptions I might have, versus the overall cost. Should I go with a higher or a lower deductable?

It is a waste of my life.

In the UK about a decade ago I Fell off my motorcycle on a freeway.

Rushed to the nearest ER? Done. No billing paperwork.

Dressing changes for weeks afterwards? Done. No billing, just saw the doc and the nurse.

Easy. 

No bills, no ringing and pissing about with provider stuff, no trying to work out who I needed to ring or being passed from department to department. 

All done because healthcare should be about healthcare.

When my liver played up and I needed to see a specialist, I didn’t need to work out who was in or out of network. They said ‘Which hospital would you like’ and that was it. Referral, done. Wait a couple of weeks and appointment, done. Blood tests? done.

And you can tell me I should go back to the UK and stop whining, but actually, there’s a lot of awesome things about the US that I love. That’s why I moved here.

Your healthcare system is not one of the things that made me want to move here.